05-12-2010, 11:54 AM
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You know, I'm far from religious but this is going too far. What next? The Atheists are going to say you can't have churches visible on public streets? Will churches have to construct a facade on all existing buildings so you don't know the church is there? Will new churches be forced to build in such a way it is not noticeable that it is a church until you go in?
Will these assholes insist all graves at Arlington be changed from crosses to plain headstones? Will they start banning chapels in hospitals? Is it going to be a crime to wear a symbol (cross) of your faith around your neck?
Who fucking cares? Really? They're taking this separation of church and state way out of context by what our founding fathers meant and I find their militant approach offensive, and I don't believe!
In the meantime, far be it that we offend muslims! But Christians and Jews can be persecuted till the day is long. How hard is it to just ignore what you don't believe in? I've been ignoring it all my life and I'm doing just fine. Seeing a cross, or hearing someone pray does not bother me so much that I have to go on some campaign to abolish their behavior.
Stealing this monument is slapping every single person who has served our county, living and dead, and those who will serve in the future.
MOJAVE NATIONAL PRESERVE, Calif. (CBS/AP) A cross that has stood in the Mojave Desert for over 70 years to commemorate American lives lost in war has been stolen by vandals. Less than two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the religious symbol could remain on federal land; however, some must have thought otherwise.
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National Park Service spokeswoman Linda Slater said that the 7-foot-high cross was stolen late Sunday or early Monday after the metal bolts that attached the symbol to a rock in the desert preserve were removed.
Although authorities do not have a concrete reason to believe that the cross was stolen because of the recent Supreme Court ruling, they do believe the suspects could be people "with an interest in the case," Slater said.
"The American Legion expects whoever is responsible for this vile act to be brought to justice," said Clarence Hill, the group's national commander. "While the memorial has been attacked, the fight will continue to ensure that veterans' memorials will remain sacrosanct."
VFW National Commander Thomas J. Tradewell believes that the vandals who stole the cross "just made it personal to 50 million veterans, military personnel and their families."
The wooden cross was first placed on the rock in 1934 by the Veterans of Foreign Wars who wanted to honor the dead soldiers of World War I. A metal version of the cross was put up in the late 1990s, but quickly came under fire on the grounds that it violated the constitutional separation of church and state.
Over the years, the cross has sparked many debates, but the most recent case ended in a 5-4 ruling by the Supreme Court that the cross should remain where it was.
While the investigation continues into the stolen cross, it is not clear whether the Veterans of Foreign Wars or the current caretakers Henry and Wanda Sandoz will be permitted to replace the old cross.
"He's wanting to go right now and put another one up," Wanda said of her husband. "It's not going to be an easy thing to do. He's 71 years old and he's rarin' to go, I'll tell you."
The U.S. Justice Department was looking into the case, and a veterans group planned to offer a $25,000 reward to help catch the thieves.
Will these assholes insist all graves at Arlington be changed from crosses to plain headstones? Will they start banning chapels in hospitals? Is it going to be a crime to wear a symbol (cross) of your faith around your neck?
Who fucking cares? Really? They're taking this separation of church and state way out of context by what our founding fathers meant and I find their militant approach offensive, and I don't believe!
In the meantime, far be it that we offend muslims! But Christians and Jews can be persecuted till the day is long. How hard is it to just ignore what you don't believe in? I've been ignoring it all my life and I'm doing just fine. Seeing a cross, or hearing someone pray does not bother me so much that I have to go on some campaign to abolish their behavior.
Stealing this monument is slapping every single person who has served our county, living and dead, and those who will serve in the future.
MOJAVE NATIONAL PRESERVE, Calif. (CBS/AP) A cross that has stood in the Mojave Desert for over 70 years to commemorate American lives lost in war has been stolen by vandals. Less than two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the religious symbol could remain on federal land; however, some must have thought otherwise.
National Park Service spokeswoman Linda Slater said that the 7-foot-high cross was stolen late Sunday or early Monday after the metal bolts that attached the symbol to a rock in the desert preserve were removed.
Although authorities do not have a concrete reason to believe that the cross was stolen because of the recent Supreme Court ruling, they do believe the suspects could be people "with an interest in the case," Slater said.
"The American Legion expects whoever is responsible for this vile act to be brought to justice," said Clarence Hill, the group's national commander. "While the memorial has been attacked, the fight will continue to ensure that veterans' memorials will remain sacrosanct."
VFW National Commander Thomas J. Tradewell believes that the vandals who stole the cross "just made it personal to 50 million veterans, military personnel and their families."
The wooden cross was first placed on the rock in 1934 by the Veterans of Foreign Wars who wanted to honor the dead soldiers of World War I. A metal version of the cross was put up in the late 1990s, but quickly came under fire on the grounds that it violated the constitutional separation of church and state.
Over the years, the cross has sparked many debates, but the most recent case ended in a 5-4 ruling by the Supreme Court that the cross should remain where it was.
While the investigation continues into the stolen cross, it is not clear whether the Veterans of Foreign Wars or the current caretakers Henry and Wanda Sandoz will be permitted to replace the old cross.
"He's wanting to go right now and put another one up," Wanda said of her husband. "It's not going to be an easy thing to do. He's 71 years old and he's rarin' to go, I'll tell you."
The U.S. Justice Department was looking into the case, and a veterans group planned to offer a $25,000 reward to help catch the thieves.
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I have no idea what you're talking about so here's a bunny with a pancake on it's head
