The winter idiot and what to buy discussion

[Twitchin Kitten]

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Not so sure yet on if I should look at Dodge. Forget GM/Chevy. That'll never happen. I should split this thread.

Don't bother. They only have the Durango right now and those are crap.

For a Chrysler produced SUV the Jeep Cherokee line is the best bet.

I'm not sure that the Cherokee or Grand Cherokee is long enough or wide enough for that upright bass. I'm so pissed that Ford isn't putting 8 cylinders in the Explorer. So far it's the only smaller sized big SUV that will fit our needs and I'm so reluctant on it.

I drove a Durango on a loaner and I was not too thrilled.

[Twitchin Kitten]

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OK, can I have your thoughts on the Volkswagon Atlas?

What I'm noticing while shopping models and brands online is that the foreign cars are always starting out with a much lower MSRP, but they add on bullshit like fog lamps, or floor mats, badging (seriously?) and other ridiculous things that add up very quickly to wind up costing more than a standard model Ford vehicle and they're smaller in the cargo holds.

[AnthonyG]

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Hey all! long time no see haha, I figured id throw in my observations since I recently did some suv/truck changes. I traded out my 2018 f150 because it had engine issues and maping issues with the transmission.

I switched to the Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT , I got it because I wanted the best option available to have street speed and performance and cargo/towing ability in bad weather. It has plenty of space for all my business hauling(about the same as explorer) its extremely fast (6.4 V8 Hemi) and it has a strong 4wd system.

The best 4wd system in SUV's right now goes to the Toyota 4runner TRD pro, I had the audi sq5 before my f150 and the quattro system broke on it in the snow volkswagen system is based on the same design because they are the parent company. I wouldn't use any of the volkswagen suvs/cross overs heavily in snow.

KIA is releasing a suv that the size of the tahoe/yukon called the telluride it is looking very promising and starts at 31k it might be a good option. I also agree the european brands nickel and dime you for features and the price surpasses the american cars usually.

[Twitchin Kitten]

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Hey all! long time no see haha, I figured id throw in my observations since I recently did some suv/truck changes. I traded out my 2018 f150 because it had engine issues and maping issues with the transmission.

I switched to the Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT , I got it because I wanted the best option available to have street speed and performance and cargo/towing ability in bad weather. It has plenty of space for all my business hauling(about the same as explorer) its extremely fast (6.4 V8 Hemi) and it has a strong 4wd system.

The best 4wd system in SUV's right now goes to the Toyota 4runner TRD pro, I had the audi sq5 before my f150 and the quattro system broke on it in the snow volkswagen system is based on the same design because they are the parent company. I wouldn't use any of the volkswagen suvs/cross overs heavily in snow.

KIA is releasing a suv that the size of the tahoe/yukon called the telluride it is looking very promising and starts at 31k it might be a good option. I also agree the european brands nickel and dime you for features and the price surpasses the american cars usually.

I was looking at Jeep too, but I need MORE than 71" of cargo space when the seats are folded down.
All the newer Ford F series are having transmission issues because they are putting 6 cylinder engines in them unless you pay extra for the 8, but if you're going to have a truck that works you really need a manual transmission. NO ONE is offering manual anymore and that's a damn shame. Lots of recalls on the new F series for the trannys not holding up. No shit.

Funny thing, I have a friend who is an engineer at Ford. I need to have him start telling them their latest designs are not holding up to the task!

[Biker Dude]

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I was looking at Jeep too, but I need MORE than 71" of cargo space when the seats are folded down.
All the newer Ford F series are having transmission issues because they are putting 6 cylinder engines in them unless you pay extra for the 8, but if you're going to have a truck that works you really need a manual transmission. NO ONE is offering manual anymore and that's a damn shame. Lots of recalls on the new F series for the trannys not holding up. No shit.

Funny thing, I have a friend who is an engineer at Ford. I need to have him start telling them their latest designs are not holding up to the task!

The big recall on Ford transmissions, some 1.5 million vehicles 2011 to 2013 will not affect anything currently.  That 6 speed transmission is no longer in use.  I could find no current recalls of the current 10 speed transmission they are using.  

The demise of the manual transmission can be laid at the feet of efficiency.  New modern transmissions with multiple gears allow manufacturers to keep the engine RPM's in a much tighter controlled range, allowing them to better tune for economy there.  Newer computer controls available have only compounded this.  Towing capacity of automatics has been higher than manuals for literally decades.  

While I personally do not like slush boxes, there really is no data that says they are less reliable or more prone to breakage.

[Twitchin Kitten]

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I thought I saw the new trucks being recalled. Thanks for clarifying. I still do not like the "economic value" I'm getting with the Edge. I get better mileage with the Mustang and I drive it like a maniac. Makes no sense other than the engine is not big enough for the task. Also that AWD is most likely sucking the gas up too.

So as of this moment I'l be going with the Explorer. It's the only one out there that has 4WD as an option as well as that stupid Advance-track AWD. I think it's the "Sport" model that I like. Very little chrome. I don't like chrome. Ford is also the only company that allows me to disengage that ridiculous auto shut off feature on the engine every time the car stops. I see no good in that other than excessive wear and tear on the starter and in turn companies making those starters will profit. JMO

[Biker Dude]

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It is a smaller engine, true, and it has a bunch more weight. Depending on specifics of vehicles, the Edge could be as much as a 1000 pounds heavier than the Mustang.

[Twitchin Kitten]

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It is a smaller engine, true, and it has a bunch more weight. Depending on specifics of vehicles, the Edge could be as much as a 1000 pounds heavier than the Mustang.

exactly my point. something so heavy has no business with a small engine. Don't go around boasting good fuel economy when it simply does not exist.

[LKTraz]

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About the only vehicles left that you can get with a manual transmission are trucks that are class 6, 7 or 8.

[Twitchin Kitten]

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About the only vehicles left that you can get with a manual transmission are trucks that are class 6, 7 or 8.

I know. Sad that it comes to this. There's a connection between you and the car when you have to actually drive it too. It's a beautiful thing.